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Cure HIV with your 360?

Having seen the PlayStation 3’s performance at the Folding@Home project, one couldn’t help but wonder how the Xbox 360 would fare with three SMT 3.2Ghz cores on board. Gizmodo asked the Microsoft guys point-blank, and then found out there’s already scientific projects potentially heading to the Xbox platform.

Rosetta@home

With the XNA toolbox already out in the open, it could be an easy project to get some protein folding going on, but it’s not the Alzheimer-solving folks at F@H that asked Microsoft to be joined first. David Baker, project scientist over at the Rosetta@Home project, mentioned the following in October 2006 when queried about 360s folding proteins on their project:

we have been discussing this idea with Microsoft quite a bit over the past several weeks; I will keep everybody posted.

While there has been no official update on the subject since, it could be interesting to see what 10 million Xbox 360s could do when all dedicating their spare processing power to find a cure for HIV together. A potentially interesting side note here could be that the Rosetta project has been granted some $20 million to further their research last year by… the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

A note of skepticism must be applied though. First off, the initial TFLOP ratings listed for the PlayStation 3 performance were highly inaccurate, and Stanford University has since corrected the values down by a whopping 50%. Secondly, a PS3 blowing all out to fold proteins consumes some 200 watts of power, and the Xbox 360 would not be using much less most likely. When left on fulltime for a year, that’s some 1750 kWh of energy per year. Assuming an in Europe not uncommon average price of 10 cents per kWh of electricity, that means your donations to scientific advances are costing you some 150 to 200 euro per year. Apart from that, you don’t want to know the amount of energy globally consumed if 50 million PS3s and 360s will be using that kind of energy all the time in 2 or 3 years from now, and the effects of that on the greenhouse effect and the environment in general.

Perhaps it’s just better to donate 50 bucks per year to the scientific institute of your choice, so they can buy far more energy-efficient supercomputers, and you have some money to spare to buy games. Saves you from having to listen to the 360 working full force all day as well.

Thanks nofear360 for the pointer!

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Comment by Ne5suNo on 2007-04-03 13:49:15 | Reply

Why not? why not help? The energy consumed by 2345389345 console together is one of the stupid thing of the year.

I somehow fail to see the point of your comment. Can you perhaps more coherently explain what you are trying to say?

If you are saying energy consumption is a crap argument, please go read up on environmental consequences of increased power consumption by consumers the past decades.

Whoa there tree huggin hippie boy… chill out on the greenhouse politics… Maybe you should read they’re comment again… they were saying “sure why not help, these consoles consume alot of energy…” - you know half of the arguments from people alone would be eliminated if they would just pay attention… oh yeah… by the way i don’t see anywhere in they’re statement that they’re comment said anything about it being a “crap argument” - you fall within the percentile of people who shoot they’re mouth off before actually seeing what the person is talking about…

Comment by trj156 on 2007-04-03 16:51:10 | Reply

you fall in the percentile of people who don’t know which form of “their” to use.

i agree with curry, all this effort all over the world to reduce power consumption and then a bunch of game consoles being left on. although, a cure for HIV would be great, there are tons of people with it.

you fall within the percentile of people who over exagerate situations like consoles being left on… sorry dumbass.. but an air conditioner during the summer months consumes 3x the amount of what a stupid console would… so don’t pull your fucking Al Gore bullshit up on this board because you think that it’s going to do anything. They’re Their… doesn’t matter… I was speaking in the tense of it being more than just 1…

Comment by jacobmars on 2007-04-03 23:49:33 | Reply

why can’t we be freinds?

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-04 05:57:40 | Reply

’cause Kinetic is FULL of nerd rage.
;)
sad but true….

Comment by Ne5suNo on 2007-04-03 13:58:12 | Reply

I know that argument very well but this is NOT wasting energy this is simply using energy for a very good thing (sorry for my english i m italian)

Well and I’m saying that if 10 million console owners just donate those $50 to Stanford it’ll help them buy supercomputer clusters that can do the same thing better, while consuming less energy :) So you get both the benefits of scientific research without the disadvantages of the environmental damage.

I’m absolutely not saying F@H and R@H are bad projects (unlike RC5 hacking for example), I’m just saying there’s better ways of achieving the targets than upping global energy consumption considerably.

adminedit: thank you for finally convincing me not to let you post on here anymore

LOL so the earths resources are infinite then yeah?! ¬_¬

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-03 17:10:35 | Reply

Kinetic, you somehow find a way to be negative about practically every story on here. Of course, this is someone who thought the name Kinetic Fart was probably very clever as opposed to the childish stupidity it actually is. Calling someone a hippie, a fag, or a hippie fag really won’t bother too many people. It just makes you seem like the true tool you really are.
Thank you, good bye now.

Comment by PJ on 2007-04-03 17:15:52 | Reply

Sorry, I have to… Hear Hear! :)

Good Call!! or if you prefer Hear Hear!!

Comment by Ne5suNo on 2007-04-03 14:13:26 | Reply

Ok now i m agree with you, but i think we could do both ways.Donate and use the wasted power of the xbox (like when we are downloading content) for the folding. Absolutely not using that power and keep the xbox on only for the folding.

Comment by PJ on 2007-04-03 14:22:10 | Reply

Compared to the cost of designing and building the super computer (paid for by the donations of ~$50 pp) instead of using the 360’s or PS3s which already exist, exactly how much better off would you be? Id say it was still better to build on whats already available. There are only going to be more and more Xboxs and PS3’s made. Use them (I know my PS3 is folding hard while im, well, not working hard at work). :)

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-04-03 15:14:05 | Reply

How about, fuck it I bought my 360 to play games.

Comment by The Hear-Hearer on 2007-04-03 15:55:08 | Reply

Hear! Hear!

Comment by PJ on 2007-04-03 16:06:31 | Reply

What were you reading the news story in the first place for then?!? I use my PS3 to play games, when im not using it (while im working, sleeping, etc), if it can be used for other things, fine.

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-04-03 18:28:55 | Reply

Because I frequent this site on a daily basis and have done for some time. As such I feel it is my right to read any article posted and submit any comments voicing my opinion (unless otherwise stated by the administrators and only the administrators of the actual site).

So as for the point you have made you can refer to one of the two points in my previous post and see which one you think applies (I’ll give you a clue, it ain’t the fact that I bought the 360 to play games).

All sorted? Good, now fuck you very much.

Comment by Sacrelicious on 2007-04-03 15:54:05 | Reply

I use my 360 a lot for streaming music/videos, if something of this nature could be run at the same time, while my box is on but the CPU is relatively idle, I would definitely go for it!

What a cool idea.As for the power consumption if the consoles were on anyway isn’t it better to be folding proteins and potentially saving real lives than shooting gangster and saving virtual lives?!

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-04-03 18:34:32 | Reply

Nah, the general public are tools and as such the majority don’t deserve salvation (not to be confused with the salvation offered by stupid dogmatic brainwashing religions, sorry i’m agnostic).

Comment by Veritas on 2007-04-03 19:49:13 | Reply

…and yet, you manage to be just as ignorant as those you criticize. Good job representing intellectuals!

Anyways, I don’t need an xbox. My mom folds my proteins for me.

“Anyways, I don’t need an xbox. My mom folds my proteins for me.”
PMSL

And irons em I bet ya.

Comment by Veritas on 2007-04-04 18:28:04 | Reply

I hate when I find those damn fabric softener cloths in my proteins.

Comment by My hairy growler on 2007-04-03 16:55:10 | Reply

Prhaps they can find a cure for my ichy ringer!! haha

Why is everyone obsessed with that global warming swindle? They are using scare politics to make us believe we are the source of the global warming when infact it’s not the CO2 causing the warming but the warming causing the CO2. The warming is just due to an increase in solar activity which will be at its peak between 2010 and 2012 (source is nasa. look it up on their page).
They used scare politics before (acid rain and hole in ozon layer). Ever heard anything about those things in the last 5 to 10 years? All of a suddon these problems are gone? Or did they even exist? you be the judge..
Do you really think that humans can influence nature that bad? It’s just a big scam so they can raise taxes because you’re destroying the earth and have to pay for it, when infact it’s not even our fault.
Of all the ‘air’ on this world only 0,04% is CO2 and humans only produce 3% of the 0,04%. Most of that human intervention is due to the amaricain army. Changing your lightbulbs and turning of the standby mode on your tv isn’t going to influence that at all.
Don’t let them fool you..

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-03 18:32:17 | Reply

lol, so misguided.
Poor young chap. Its hardly a ’swindle’ bud, but keep on believing what you will.

I’m not a ‘young chap’ bub.. And i’m not misguided. I for one took the time to read in on the matter instead of following the media blindley, as you do obviously.
But to each his own. You go pay some more greenhouse taxes now, and save the world with the standby button off! My hero.. ;)

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-04-03 18:39:17 | Reply

Nope got to agree in part with Cage on this one, it certainly is not being caused by the Human population as this ain’t the first time it has happened and we ain’t been here forever (unless you are some poor misguided creationist, but I don’t even want to get into a conversation about that nonsense).

We are maybe contributing towards it.

But this is not the picture that gets painted, in fact in most places it doesn’t even get a look in thanks once again to a world full of bleeding hearted fucking hippies.

Cunts.

Comment by Veritas on 2007-04-03 19:54:15 | Reply

Except acid rain and the holes in the ozone layer are still problems.

Global warming is, I think, at least partially a hoax (the planet’s had two ice ages… that wasn’t “global cooling”). But that doesn’t change the fact that we’re screwing up the damn planet.

Here Hear!

Comment by newmodel on 2007-04-03 22:06:08 | Reply

Global cooling and warming events have occurred in the past; however, do you think it is a coincidence that the next warming event appears to be occurring at the peak of the industrial revolution, after many years of relative climate stability? Leave it to the climatologists, or become one. We don’t really have a clue…

Comment by Thryon on 2007-04-03 19:05:54 | Reply

Sign me up for SETI@HOME

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-03 20:34:56 | Reply

i quit.
mankind is fucking things up very badly and some want to lable it as ‘hippie fag’ stuff. I don’t hug trees, but I also don’t see the need to idle my car unnessecarily (sp?) or leave the lights on for no reason.

Which was the only point I was trying to make actually ;)

I’m not going to soapbox about TVs on standby or lights being left on an hour too long, but willingly spending 200 euro a year in energy that the NSA supercomputers could both buy and use so much more efficiently?

It’s not like either F@H or R@H have any realistic chance of success if you look into the project details.

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-03 21:36:54 | Reply

sometimes the simplest points can go way over most heads.

As a matter of fact I expected most people to get shellshocked at the 200 euro figure, which buys you 3 games and a year long Xbox Live subscription easily :X

Comment by mass9 on 2007-04-04 06:00:15 | Reply

…”adminedit: thank you for finally convincing me not to let you post on here anymore”
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lol, fear the wraith of Curry

Comment by The_Glovner on 2007-04-04 11:32:23 | Reply

Keeps making me wonder how I have managed to get away without feeling the wrath (yet).

ICgamers without The_Glovner ?!
Can’t see it some how…..

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