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Microsoft banning modded Xbox 360s from Live

Are you one of those people that prefer not to pay for their games? Or perhaps even have a fully legitimate reason to mod their 360 into playing backups? Better not log on to Xbox Live then, since Microsoft has now officially started banning 360s that have had their DVD drive firmware modified from Live, apparently using information brought in by the Crackdown Halo 3 beta downloads.

As already stated over a year ago in our exclusive interview with the original inventors of the firmware hack, the firmware hack is fundamentally flawed in that it will always be detectable unless either the Xbox 360 kernel or the game code signing are thoroughly hacked. It would appear that the recently released Spring Update and the Crackdown title update or the Halo 3 beta code itself cooperate to determine that the firmware has been modified.


Click to see the full official “You’re screwed” message

Microsoft’s official statement on the Gamerscore Blog reads:

As part of our commitment to our members, we do not allow people that we have detected to have modified their console to connect to LIVE. This is an important part of our efforts to try and maintain a fair gaming environment for the large majority of gamers that play by the rules. This topic is more important than ever given the recent release of the Halo 3 beta. As a result, some consumers that try to login to LIVE who we detect have illegally modified their console will get an error code (Status Code: Z: 8015 - 190D) when trying to connect to the service. These users will not have their account automatically banned from LIVE, but they will no longer be able to access the service from the console they modified.

The forums over at ’scene site’ Xbox-Scene have apparently collapsed under traffic, but according to our reports they had topics from tons of users getting banned, indiscriminate of their type of drive or the firmware modification used. They also hint that the detection mechanism might have nothing to do with the Halo 3 Beta, although it’s almost too coincidental:

ScrewedWith the amount of posts we see on our forums … it’s clear, Microsoft decided to start banning Xbox360 with modified firmwares today.
While it’s the same release date as Halo3 beta, it seems that people who didn’t download Halo3 also get banned. They probably detect backup discs (and not the modified firmware) when you play ‘em online (not confirmed yet).
Even people using the new firmwares with disc-jitter added get banned, so it looks like Microsoft found another way to detect it.
Just like on Xbox1 it seems Microsoft bans the console unique ID, not the LIVE user.

So, as Robinsod promised over a year ago the cat and mouse game has officially commenced now. Will the hackers find ways to outsmart Microsoft’s detection logic? First question is whether Microsoft’s detection logic is precise enough… reports on the official Xbox.com forums also suggest that legitimate users are getting their consoles banned, but for the time being we’re assuming we’d also say that if we were in this situation with a $400 door stop. We’ll definitely keep you updated as the story progresses.

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Comment by coojo on 2007-05-18 02:21:37 | Reply

haha i hope this wont happen for wii consoles or else im screwed

Comment by Aart on 2007-05-18 02:22:12 | Reply

Lol, i read this bullshit last year :D

Anyway, I’m still playing GRAW2 and GOW online. I have 17 games, none of them legal, and i play them all the time on live. A friend who works in a gamestore stole a 1 year card for me.
Got my 360 last year for 250 euro, new, premium edition. Had to replace it 2 times because of overheating and ring-o-doom. All times we re-flashed the firmware and got new 360’s. makes you wonder how M$ says they shipped 10.000.000 eh? lol.

What i’m tryin to say is, as long as M$ makes piece of shit consoles that overheat and scratch discs, i am not giving them any more cent!
It’s a nice idea and i enjoy live, but i have more fun with my wii, hell even my 10 year old ps1 :D

Lol, i read this bullshit last year

It’s no longer a few reports, but confirmed by Microsoft themselves, and the Xbox-Scene forums didn’t die without good reason. It’s true this time, and you’re a very lucky man if you escape the banhammer :)

I hope you get extra-banhammered, idiot.

Comment by slug on 2007-05-18 08:42:45 | Reply

lol@you having to steal stuff. I feel sorry for you. I don’t blame you though. I mean, if I was poor, I’d steal too.

I’m super poor, and I don’t steal games.

Comment by gi11is on 2007-05-18 19:05:43 | Reply

that is not an excuse to pirate videogames. you’re cheap, just admit it.

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:37:05 | Reply

Congratulations you are everything that is wrong with the gaming community. You will get your hammer soon enough scumbag.

Makes me proud to be a law-abiding citizen.

Comment by UKJAY on 2007-05-18 02:38:06 | Reply

As much as it would be nice to get games at a fraction of the cost. I’d rather pay full price and enjoy playing with others over ‘Live’ than mod a console and end up playing all single campaigns… although the very first games console to play CD’s was the Sega MegaCD…all this copying crap started with the Playstation… Im glad people are getting banned.

Comment by s2h on 2007-05-18 03:03:09 | Reply

WOW AART…..U SUCK AT LIFE

Comment by GT:Tha Aceman on 2007-05-18 03:05:45 | Reply

ohhhhh hell yes thats wut they deserve.

Comment by McGrude on 2007-05-18 03:13:52 | Reply

It’s about time they started doing this.

Comment by Damrock on 2007-05-18 03:16:22 | Reply

Mircosofts probally lost about 2 million xbox 360 users now haha

Comment by Razorlution on 2007-05-18 03:48:52 | Reply

Its about time they stuck it to those modders, Im sick of having to pay full price for games while these morons go on some site and get it for free.

Burn in hell modders, I hope you burn in hell

Comment by Bob Vu on 2007-05-18 04:21:38 | Reply

Yea this is kinda BS. I only use backup discs because the stupid a$$ xbox 360 freaking scratches every single one of my dam original discs. I love me 360 but you gotta be kidding me Microsoft’s console quality sucks a$$.

Comment by starfox404 on 2007-05-18 05:12:19 | Reply

“Bob Vu” thats such bull i got 8 games and have never had a scratch. One, just one person i know had elder scrolls scratch cos he moved his box while it was on.

Comment by Buuuudddy on 2007-05-18 05:48:40 | Reply

I also have a modded box. If it gets banned I’ll just go to Walmart, get a new Premium, swap the cases, so the old parts go into the new case, old case goes into new console. Then return it the next day. Ive done it before.

Comment by BruNasty on 2007-05-18 06:21:57 | Reply

Oh, so the people that are screwing others on live are pissed about being screwed… too bad so sad

Buuddddy its called return fraud and can land you in jail. Go ahead and do it, the console that you ’swapped’ will eventually get back to Microsoft and they’ll link the banned console ID with the gamertag that was used with it. Nothing anonymous about that, the only 360 thats gonna be played is you being passed around the jailhouse.

its about time this happend, its costs alot of money to develop games, even the worst games cost alot to develop. people are always complaining about the price of games yetthere usually the same people who are pirating them. when people pirate things the cost goes up for the end user due to the high development cost. for once i actually agree with MS, as for the people who didnt mod but are getting hit with the message thats a differnt story.

Comment by Mike True on 2007-05-18 08:00:13 | Reply

Now I can see a lot of banned 360’s on Ebay and people with the money buying a PS3 cause is a better build hardware, I think will be very interesting to see what happen with the PS3 and 360 sales in the next few months. lots of people is Now felling betrayed by MS with or without reason

Comment by Sizzling Weasel on 2007-05-18 09:57:15 | Reply

Exactly, some people modded their 360 so they could backup their games because of the 360 scratching discs. I can see those people getting a PS3 because it’s qualitativly better.
Most people just are pirates, though. Shame on them! Burn’em! (not really ;))

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:41:10 | Reply

Bullshit, it will scratch your disc if you move it while it is on. The temptation is too great for people not to buy a game and make a “backup”. 99% of people who have a modded console steal games. They deserve what they get.

Comment by SizzlingWeasel on 2007-05-19 13:33:08 | Reply

Fuck you Buddy, if you don’t know what you’re talking about then shut the hell up!

Comment by SizzlingWeasel on 2007-05-19 13:35:42 | Reply
Comment by wakeboardnmoto on 2007-05-18 08:18:40 | Reply

PSP modding is satisfying enough for me im glad i never got into this on my 360, of course many thing happen in time…………………….

Comment by mcchicken on 2007-05-18 08:32:33 | Reply

There’s a little weight to the Halo 3 theory for me, my media center XBox 1 was banned after playing Halo 2. I got Halo 2 at midnight launch, played two rounds online, went to sleep. Next morning, banned. Turns out they added some code that checks the hard disk for unauthorized files and I guess mp3s/mpgs are not authorized. :P

Comment by dirty duck on 2007-05-18 09:23:12 | Reply

All ican say on the matter is about time MS done something about these pirates.

And for idiots to openly post that they do it and dont own a real copy well complete prick

Comment by StGermain on 2007-05-18 10:30:32 | Reply

I’m glad the freeloaders are being kicked out, I don’t think it is going to do anything against cheating though as that WILL come from the people playing live-enabled games from the PC… If Microsoft would be serious about the cheating issue they would keep live a closed xbox system.

Comment by Agilulfo on 2007-05-18 10:53:28 | Reply

Modding consoles in an infringment of the License Agreements of the console and of the Live Service.

More than that…honestly, how many have modified their console in order to play “legal” backups of their originals in order to prevent disk damage (which could be legitimate)?

How many have modified their console in order to play illegal copies of games you can get for free from Emule (that is breaking the law)?

Why should you be allowed to steal what others pay for?

REMEMBER THAT GAMES ARE MADE FOR TO THE REVENUES THEY GENERATE!
We have Gears of War, just to name one major reason to own a X360, BECAUSE THERE IS PEOPLE WILLING TO PAY TO PLAY IT.

If you modify your console to get games “for free” you’re not only breaking the law. You’re leeching the benefits of other people’s work and money.

You must accept the consequences of your behaviours.

Comment by ilker yasin on 2007-05-18 10:54:46 | Reply

Yes 2 Million users , each of them pay 50$ + Microsoft Points per year = 70 x 2 = 140$ Million.
Microsoft Losts 140$ per year.

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:44:56 | Reply

Your a damn idiot if you think there are 2 million modded 360 systems out there. That would be 33% of all XBL users. I love how modders think they are a majority. XBL has been harvesting info for this ban for a long time. If they thought it would really hurt their bottom line they would not have banned the douchebags.

Comment by scython on 2007-05-18 11:53:21 | Reply

There is no legitimate reason to use back ups or mod the console. The only reason is because people think they can get stuff without paying.
Well, looks like you are going to miss out on LLive. And thats the baest part. You deserve it if you Mod. Ha Ha.

Comment by Lotus 111s on 2007-05-18 13:08:33 | Reply

Good news freeloading fools.

Also looks like Sony’s g=had the best anti-piracy idea for the moment. Fit a drive that no one can afford to buy (Blu-ray burners are a fortune) and no one will be pirating shit all.

Until the price comes down anyway ;)

Comment by ilker yasin on 2007-05-18 13:41:29 | Reply

Edit: I mean 140$ Million :)) (in my message above)
I’am sure Ps3 Sales Up %500 in June. Also Outsell Wii

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-18 14:47:04 | Reply

LOL that’s a joke, the PS3 will never outsell the 360 or the Wii, sorry to ruin your dreams.

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:47:06 | Reply

Shhh!!! You sound like a complete fool. Your logic is laughable.

Comment by Spawn1905 on 2007-05-18 14:12:46 | Reply

Everyone knew this was coming. Not much you can do about this. However for MS to do this they would have had to snoop peoples xbox 360’s. Then send information back to MS which is illegal and against privacy laws in my country. This could get nasty.

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-18 14:48:26 | Reply

your an idiot, you have no idea how it works do you. …*sigh* little kids think they know it all.

Comment by Lone goat on 2007-05-18 18:23:12 | Reply

Spawn doesn’t read the License Agreements, that he clicked “i agree”

Comment by oli3032 on 2007-05-18 14:16:47 | Reply

Hahahaha loosers!! There is no excuse, they all deserve to get banned.

Comment by Tom on 2007-05-18 14:23:21 | Reply

I have a modded premium and a modded elite and id rather have them modded and play offline then pay for games and play on live.. Too many 9 year olds.

F all you ppl that say “good” , you are just jealous that you been paying for games for the last year and a half.

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-18 14:51:32 | Reply

no, we just don’t break the law by dl pirated software you dumb a$$. Hope your a$$ gets caught sooner or later and then you’ll be wishing you hadn’t done it when you got big bubba in the jail cell with ya tell you to suck his man sausage. LOL.

Comment by Tom on 2007-05-18 15:14:55 | Reply

You are a fucking retarded idiot , what are they gonna do if they catch me? Give me my 7.99 a month back? Thats perfectly fine with me , that is their loss .. Ill still get free shitty games that your dumbass buys..

As far as bubba and his sausage , once again you are a fucking retard that doesnt know his ass from bubbas ass..

Comment by Kid Outhouse on 2007-05-19 16:15:13 | Reply

If theyre such “shitty” games, why do you want to play them whether they are free or not?

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-20 22:15:55 | Reply

you’re a fucking dumb ass, downloading pirated software is a federal offense and is punishable by 10 years in prison or more. and why the fuck would you get money back? you make no fucking sense at all, if anything you’ll be fined and charged for all of the pirated software that they find at you house(that is if you don’t still live at home with your parents :P)so you’ll be losing money. like i said before when it comes time, i’ll take care of your mom while bubba is nailing you from behind :)!!! LOL FAG!!

Comment by Laban on 2007-05-18 15:14:20 | Reply

Agree. I would rather play 100 backup games offline than pay for 10 and play online

Comment by Steve L on 2007-05-18 15:28:03 | Reply

heh, I’m fine with my saving over $1000 on games over being able to play on live.

Comment by Kid Outhouse on 2007-05-19 16:14:04 | Reply

Thank GOD! You’re exactly the kind of person we want to avoid on Live in the first place! Everybody wins!

Comment by x El Scorpio x on 2007-05-18 14:59:16 | Reply

good! I don’t wanna have people cheating like in Counter-Strike (PC) where you can look through walls and it auto-aims at the head of opponents all the time

Comment by Jasonic on 2007-05-18 15:35:19 | Reply

” Ill still get free shitty games that your dumbass buys..”

lmao!
You get the ‘Twit of the week’ Award.

Comment by Tom on 2007-05-18 15:52:15 | Reply

Awes0me! What do I win?

Do I pick up the prize or do you ship it?

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:50:53 | Reply

Have “fun” on that story mode you piece of shit.

Comment by Tom on 2007-05-18 22:35:08 | Reply

Die in your sleep tonight , thanks.

Comment by Darkhosis on 2007-05-21 00:41:20 | Reply

Umm you have to dl it off of a torrent site and it even comes with a free virus.

Comment by Richard on 2007-05-18 16:06:38 | Reply

So when do we get the “xbox live genuine advantage” icon? ;)

Comment by Lone goat on 2007-05-18 18:24:48 | Reply

LOL very nice

Comment by John on 2007-05-18 17:14:40 | Reply

Ban all the modders, it is about time these cheaters get whats coming.

Congrats Microsoft!!!

Comment by Daze Of War on 2007-05-18 17:59:03 | Reply

It’s so funny how the people that are all pissed off about can’t even spell right either. I’ve had my 360 since the day it’s came out and have not had any discs get scratched. Also none of my friends have had this problem either. Ever heard of TSTO.

Comment by Mike True on 2007-05-18 18:21:06 | Reply

Maybe they can’t spell right because English is not the mother tongue language IDIOT

Comment by Lone goat on 2007-05-18 18:28:30 | Reply

ya my 360 has never scratched one of my disc. and my 360 is even a launch system.

hey mike true…. Isn’t English the language that the world economy runs on?….

yup it is

Comment by Daze Of War on 2007-05-19 00:39:58 | Reply

You must be one of those TSTO’s Mike. It’s funny when people get so offended by things that they know is “Mike” true.

Comment by splattered on 2007-05-18 18:27:39 | Reply

Has there been a recent case outside of Gears of War where modders were cheating? All Epic had to do to combat that was upload a new config file to the 360 hard drive and make it mandatory that the system loads that version instead of the modified one on the burned disk. Not that i’m FOR modding and all that, but i think it was a stupid move from microsoft. They are going to lose a lot of potential revenue from this. Watch their active LIVE member numbers plummet. Stupid move Microsoft. Stupid move.

Comment by Damrock on 2007-05-18 18:50:01 | Reply

Noticed alot of people bitching about this not being fair…but if you have modded your 360 its your own fault next time get a job and actually buy games.

Comment by Microsoft Rules on 2007-05-18 18:53:32 | Reply

Watch their active LIVE member numbers plummet. More like watch their Hacking LIVE numbers plummet with everyone else being glad these cheating dumbasses are finally kicked off of LIVE.

Microsoft is king.

Comment by oli3032 on 2007-05-18 19:16:39 | Reply

Why do these people think that they shouldn’t have to pay for games like the rest of us? In the end cheating DOES NOT make a game more enjoyable!!

Comment by Iain7 on 2007-05-19 01:04:20 | Reply

What everyone seems to forget is its the console thats banned no you so ms still keep ur money.

Comment by Hypocrites on 2007-05-18 19:21:01 | Reply

Well while us modders are playing 1000’s of dollars in free games and you non modders are spending your lunch money on renting and buying games we can live without LIVE. You mean to tell me all of you non modders have never burned downloaded music or movie onto a disc I guarentee its atleast 95% of you. So who the fuck are you to be pissed at us when you’ve already stolen from the music and movie industry why not the gaming industry. You ASSHOLES!

Comment by Kid Outhouse on 2007-05-19 16:19:08 | Reply

I agree with the above.

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-20 22:23:34 | Reply

That’s not modding you fucking retard, which is the main reason of the ban, toget rid of fucking faggot ass cheaters like you off of live so we can have an enjoyable experience while playing our games instead of playing with a bunch of cheating little 10 year olds with flying warthogs!! (that’s right, you know who you are you little cheating halo 2 mother fuckers. EAT SHIT AND DIE!!!!)

Comment by Darkhosis on 2007-05-21 00:54:10 | Reply

Umm way to post under a fake alias instead of your real alias.
My gamertag is Darkhosis and hell even my Mii is named Darkhosis. Point being if you are so cool and break all the rules and don’t care what anyone one else thinks then I have several questions for you.
1. Why are you hiding who you are? We aren’t judging you. Infact we all want you to come out for a group hug.(no wait thats your cellmate)
2. Why are you even commenting? You are a sad pathetic person that can’t pay for your entertainment like everyone else. (Do you use blow up dolls as well so you don’t have to pay for hookers?)
3. Did We hurt your poor little feelings? Thats ok your momma warmed up her tit for you so you atleast won’t go hungry.
4. Who cares if you modded your console? I guess this is a question for everyone else.
We are just glad we don’t have to see you anymore on live.
Oh and while you are modding your 360 can you mod your moms mouth so she has roll back teeth. Teabagging her isn’t as much fun when my pubes get stuck in her teeth.
Have a pleasant day. :)

Comment by Hypocrites on 2007-05-18 19:30:27 | Reply

Think about how much money these guys make you mean to tell me the small percentage of us that do this sort of thing really hurts any of these industries accross the board. Come on if this is true than you might as well ban the internet because it’s the only way your going to stop it. Look at microsoft they should thank the modding comunity for giving them the idea to have a dashboard and backgrounds and music playing. They took the modded version from the hacker comunity and are making tons of money off of live members even the ones that were modded.

Comment by ONI 23 on 2007-05-18 22:24:17 | Reply

Do you think the small amount of people commiting murder makes it okay to kill?
-Oni

Comment by molding on 2007-05-18 19:35:56 | Reply

So who the fuck are you to be pissed at us when you’ve already stolen from the music and movie industry why not the gaming industry. You ASSHOLES!

LOL!!!!!!!

I guess since I stole a piece of taffy when I was 12 it would be alright for me to steal from a bank.

No wonder you dumbass modders got busted from Microsoft.

A true Modder/Hacker are the ones you never know about. Go back to the drawing board and learn how to fine tune your skills so you dont get caught next time.

LOSERS!!!!!

Comment by oli3032 on 2007-05-18 19:40:24 | Reply

By modding you will never be able to receive game fixes and system updates so there :-P .

Agree many of the people that are modding are cheapskate loosers. You deserve to be banned on live, we don’t need you. For the ones saying Microsoft is losing money because they banned you loser - they are not losing anything. You are too cheap to buy games it’s unlikely you are purchasing any marketplace content when you have already stole that content on your PC using a bittorrent client. Microsoft is not stupid, the ‘modders’ are. In fact most of these ‘modders’ are nothing more than skript-kiddies that take other peoples work and then claim they are modders - YOU ARE A JOKE. See you on LIVE - oops thats right :)

Comment by lol on 2007-05-18 19:50:20 | Reply

PG4, you were dead on. Script-kiddies taking other peoples work and calling it their own.

I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!

Comment by 88 on 2007-05-18 19:53:39 | Reply

seriously, you guys who just brag that ur shits modded n u get away with it, you’re just a bunch of thick-headed dick fucks. ya woohoo ur my fuckin god….not, get a life, no one cares n ur not cool so do something meaningful with your life and get a job so u can afford the stuff that comes out instead of being a cheap little bitch. n i hope that u do get banned cuz my one friend got banned for having a modded xboxn shes pissed so i hope u guys suffer too. Good luck with your stupidity.

Comment by hat on 2007-05-18 19:55:50 | Reply

Oh wait, dont make the modders/sciprt kiddies mad, they will have to do a google search on code to hack a computer, modify it and call it their own not realizing the same code they modified just dumped a root kit with remote control ability to there own computer. :)

Comment by 88 on 2007-05-18 20:00:04 | Reply

lol

Comment by ranger on 2007-05-18 20:05:45 | Reply

Live membership is going to “plummet” how? Because memberships won’t work from modded consoles anymore?

Sure I’ve pirated music (lots, in fact). Software too. And piracy is NOT theft, it’s copyright infringement.

Enjoy your pirated games. You just can’t play in Microsoft’s online playground. I use pirated Cubase, but I know damn well I better not let it connect to Steinberg.

Gamers aren’t the Xbox’s only customers. Microsoft has to sell the Xbox to developers too, and MS makes money on every (new) game sold. If developers see the console allows pirated software, they’re unhappy.

Who carries more weight with Microsoft, game developers or console modders?

There may be lots of vocal modders on internet message boards, but as a percentage of Live subscribers they are minuscule. Microsoft is probably GLAD to lose that tiny bit of revenue.

The cinema manager doesn’t care about losing a popcorn sale when he kicks out the guy who snuck into the theater.

Comment by Kid Outhouse on 2007-05-19 16:22:06 | Reply

“The cinema manager doesn’t care about losing a popcorn sale when he kicks out the guy who snuck into the theater.”

Beautiful analogy

Comment by Hypocrites on 2007-05-18 20:26:05 | Reply

what about the people who don’t even have an internet connection they don’t care about live so while were still gettin to play the games dashboard updates and game updates means absolutely nothing to me or any other person with a modded xbox360.

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:54:57 | Reply

Good luck downloading games with no internet connection you silly fool.

Comment by Phocas on 2007-05-18 20:58:50 | Reply

ohh I see what your dumbass is trying to say. Have fun on that single player story mode with your crippled 360. Only 1 out of every 10 games has no online mode. Your missing out on the whole experience. Keep telling yourself its was worth it. You may actually believe it one day.

Comment by Worms on 2007-05-18 20:27:39 | Reply

Why are people suprised? MS banned the original Xbox consoles from Live with mods too. You want free games? Fine but you aren’t going to play the free games online. I modded my original Xbox and used it for a media center, emulator, had a ton of games on the hard drive, etc. I did not expect to be able to use it on Live. 360 only being hacked at this point to play backups isn’t an incentive for me to mod it. If I could run emulators and run XBMC on it then I would use one for that and buy another to play online

Comment by Buuuudddy on 2007-05-18 20:59:11 | Reply

I have a modded 360, haven’t been banned.

Comment by splattered on 2007-05-18 20:59:16 | Reply

You guys don’t seem to understand the definition of “Cheating” ….?

WHO THE HELL IS CHEATING?! The people that are cheating in games like gears of war, are only cheating due to faulty game design… they are glitching using means that are missed be the developers during the testing phases. Not because someone downloaded it and are somehow magically killing you. You are losing in the game because you SUCK AT IT. Idiots.

And for your info, i have 15 store bought 360 games WITH receipts, and 2 burned games. TWO. One is Crackdown which i specifically burned to try out the Halo 3 Beta (didn’t care for crackdown demo, didnt get into the earlier private beta), and a copy of Gears of War… which i BOUGHT so i made a copy and gave the retail to my fiance’s mother’s boyfriend as a gift since he got a 360 for christmas and i wanted him to play gears with me.

I thought it was legal to make a copy of a game you already own…? Guess not.

Oh and to PG4, i bought a CRAP load of XBLA games and extra content for all my games. I know i’m not the exception either.

MS definitely losin a lot of money here, but it’s their choice. No biggie.

Comment by Luis Mtz on 2007-05-18 22:31:04 | Reply

Lol, poor guy……

No Microsoft is not losing a lot of money here. You so called ‘modders’ (skript-kiddies) account for a tiny minority of people on Xbox Live. You can go ahead and tell the truth, you’ve stolen more games than you want to admit. The only reason you purchased arcade games is because you couldn’t steal them, but I’m sure if you found a way you’d steal them too. Really no one needs you, the couple dollars you spend on Live is nothing to Microsoft. Let me say it again - the couple dollars you spend on Live means NOTHING to Microsoft. So you skript kiddies with your constant threat that MS will lose money is a complete joke - they really do not care about you trash and they threw your silly a$$es out on the curb starting yesterday.

Comment by Maxwell89 on 2007-05-18 21:00:53 | Reply

Yeah my console is also modded, no sign of banned yet.

Comment by A Fire Inside XX on 2007-05-18 21:03:16 | Reply

I think the main reason why people are saying “HAHA LOSERS!” is because they were jealous they were paying 59.99 a game, and we pay like 50 bucks for 20 games.

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-20 22:31:12 | Reply

so it does cost money to torrent games!!!???? WHEN DID THIS HAPPEN????

Comment by hat on 2007-05-18 21:35:43 | Reply

WOW 50 bucks for 20 games, man I am jealous.

I need to go an mod my xbox360 right now and blow the $400 i just spent and then I can go and spend another $400 on a new xbox 360 so I can play on live. Who really cares that Microsoft put a ban my xbox 360 that has my account tied to a credit card with all my information on it. Who would be smart enough to check that.

But man look at all the money I am saving!!!!

Comment by s2h on 2007-05-18 21:59:32 | Reply

modders=closet queens…. meaning..YOU ARE GAY!

(if you are actually gay take no offense to that comment)

Comment by Bubba on 2007-05-20 18:47:37 | Reply

Get your head out of your ass..

Comment by Jack Fade on 2007-05-18 22:13:32 | Reply

Actually, i pay 7 bucks a copy, I could never spend 60 $ on a 400$ piece of ready-to-be-bricked shit.

Let’s wait for the pirates to find a way outa this, at least they know their shit.

Comment by s2h on 2007-05-18 22:29:58 | Reply

yea butt-pirates know their shit

Most of us can afford to buy games, for the poor skript-kiddies (modders) out there - you can always go ask for a handout; stealing never gets you anywhere in life (cough LIVE).

Really no ones jealous. If we all wanted to be skript kiddies it’s not that difficult to flash the firmware on a dvd drive. Some of us have more class than that, we choose to support developers that make good games. Don’t give the bs that you wanted to try before buying - it’s a common lie that pirates use. Thats what demos are for.

So once again those that got banned - GOOD, I hope you enjoy trying to find out how to fix your console. Ohhh thats right you’re skript kiddies and you’re waiting on the ‘geniuses’ to figure out how to bypass this. Looks like thsoe experts got you into a load of trouble so far. Oh btw keep using backups, Microsoft is tracking everything you are doing and could easily come after you with copyright infringement charges - it’s all logged and they have your credit card information from LIVE. You are not anonymous skript kiddies.

Comment by splattered on 2007-05-19 00:00:30 | Reply

I have retail versions of all my backups with receipts, let M$ come. It’s perfectly legal to make a copy for your own personal use.

Comment by Kid Outhouse on 2007-05-19 16:12:11 | Reply

Nobody is saying you can’t make those legal copies. You just cant use them on xbox Live. Notice that the ban doesn’t brick your entire system, nor does it render your copied discs useless. You can still copy and play with your copies all you want. Xbox Live is a service, and as such you are subject to it’s terms. Whether those terms are congruous with copy protection laws is irrelevant; M$ can implement whatever terms it so pleases, and if you don’t want to comply, then you don’t have to use their service.

Unfortunately it is NOT perfectly legal to make backup copies!!!

Comment by splattered on 2007-05-19 01:37:08 | Reply

prove me wrong.

Comment by splattered on 2007-05-19 01:39:28 | Reply

Is Game Copying Legal?

Click here for a complete side-by-side comparison of Game Copy Software

By Bryce Casselman

When addressing the legality of copying any electronic form of intellectual property, there is always debate. Whether talking about music, movies or games, manufactures fight to protect their copyrights, individuals fight to protect their investments and the reality of illegal piracy makes finding a mutually beneficial solution nearly impossible.

Typically, the public looks to the Fair Use Act and the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 to define their rights. Though open to interpretation, in a nutshell, these Acts say that you may legally make a copy for personal backup purposes, if you were the one who bought (and still own) the original.

This backup/archival copy exception is a very narrow limitation relating to a copy being made by the rightful owner of an authentic game to ensure he or she has one in the event of damage or destruction of the authentic game, not for the purpose of acquiring financial gain.

The Audio Home Recording Act of 1992 also states that copyright holders can’t sue the average user for making home copies of their music. But the studios’ lawyers say that the recording companies are not required to make available the technology to make backup copies. This means that manufacturers of electronic media will try to make their products as challenging as possible to copy.

For more information on the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, click here:
www.virtualrecordings.com

Comment by mu on 2007-05-19 04:43:22 | Reply

oh splattered, in a sea of shit, you are a shining ray of sunshine. good job pulling this thread out of the gutter.

Comment by SizzlingWeasel on 2007-05-19 13:56:47 | Reply

Here is a link with proof that some XBOX 360’s ruin your discs:
link

If MS says it’s not their problem your 60 euro games are ruined by their hardware, I think it’s fair those people make backups before their original discs are scratched.

If you just flash your XBOX360 to play pirated copies: sht the hell up, you don’t have anything to complain about!

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-20 22:40:37 | Reply

read some of the posts on that same site you fucking idiot

Comment by Sage on 2007-05-20 01:12:49 | Reply

ms might be losin 140 million but that amount pales in comparision to the money ms loses due to you dumbasses buying/downloading pirated games instead of the originals. DOWN WITH THE PIRATES!

Comment by shady on 2007-05-20 06:12:22 | Reply

Its too late for me but fuck you Bill Gates bitch you asshole!!!!!!!

Comment by leoyz410 on 2007-05-20 13:21:46 | Reply

LOL all you need is 2 xbox 360 heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh now have that you scum MS

Comment by leoyz410 on 2007-05-20 13:26:14 | Reply

i will allways win MS

Comment by SpartanX360 on 2007-05-20 22:16:30 | Reply

Oh crap its full of trolls in here except splattered is fully gaymer no wonder why he gave a ‘fiancee’ boyfriend game so thats gaymer to you..

Anyways M$ will lay the banhammer to all the stupid pirates and poor boys stealing games and marketplace points at a retail store ( get a job) im a adult buying games 2 games a monthand i build custom arcade cabinets!, but it hurted the industry thats why they increased to $60 damn you butthole pirates!!!

As for SizzlingWeasel

dumbass its not the console scratching games its YOU TURNING THE CONSOLE WHILE PLAYING AND THATS A FULL MORON!!! DONT TURN THE CONSOLE WHILE PLAYING THE DAMN MANUAL SAYS IT ALL!!!

Comment by Yoshima31ite on 2007-05-20 22:44:51 | Reply

Well put spartan. i agree, i have a launch cousole yet and no scratches and no ring of death. to avoid the ring of death, idk try putting you 360 in a nice VENTILATED area, fucking dumbasses. and as for the scratched disks, my man spartan already said it all. good day you dumb fuck pirates and reatards.

Comment by quintessential on 2007-05-20 23:17:16 | Reply

as far as i can tell, microsoft only did it for the lulz, and for that, they should be applauded.

Comment by steve on 2007-09-10 20:10:53 | Reply

i do work behind the scenes on modding consoles *BUT* i dont do it for the piracy, good on m$ for banning these people, game devs need to protect there investments. and if m$ allows piracy on live (half the experience) they are just saying FUCK YOU game devs we get your money now your broke…. oh shit we have no games for our console, now we are fucked too… heres a little truth you pirates need to know, a dev console costs around 20-30 thousand USD each, most devs have around 10 of these, and then they have a further 20ish debug units which cost around 10 thousand USD each. on top of this they then have to pay their coders, AND pay to have it signed, game devs only make around US$10-15 a game. and m$ only make around US$10 themselves, but then M$ put that $10 into the hardware offset fund. on 5 games + console they break even. meaning more of us buying legit have to pay more for each disk because the pirates arent offsetting their system costs by purchasing legit.

on the note of my modding, the only interest i have in the xbox360 firmware mod is it allows KK to run the shader exploit, i only care about the wii drive mods because selling the hardware to do it puts food on my plate (although the roof over my head is gone now). modding for piracy only destroys the devs, look at one of the biggest devs we have known that went bust in recent years… pirates look at yourself and say “fuck i caused thousands and thousands of people to loose their jobs” then hang yourself

Comment by mu on 2007-12-22 18:38:00 | Reply

from xbox live 12/22/07:

>> So we’ve gotten some interesting conclusions over the past week regarding the new ‘waves’ of bans over supposedly modified consoles on xbox live.

As you’ve all seen, Microsoft has started unbanning consoles. I’ve seen alot of people who were banned this past weekend, and are still banned, no matter how much yelling they do to poor customer reps. Others, who have modified firmwares ranging from 5.x to 1.4, and have never made a phone call have miraculously become unbanned!

As always with Microsoft, there is no rhyme or reason to their actions. A couple interesting things we have found…

You CAN have your console banned for having a 12v fan mod. A very trusted user of www.360patches.com got told directly from MS reps that his fan was modded on his 360 and that it violates the TOA. Any modification of hardware does indeed violate the TOA, so legally they reserve the right to ban users from live for that reason. Petty yes, but justified. A fan mod would be reasonably easy to detect, as voltage metering is something standard in all bios for the past 10 or so years.

In regards to ‘bad game data’ or kreon rips, SS, dmi and pfi, it appears that the reason MS might be unbanning xbox360’s is because we’ve found evidence that strongly suggests ANY xbox360 can return bogus data. After some internal testing on a few older 360’s, it seems that once a lens is near the end of its life, it can respond with all sorts of data, or lack thereof. A len’s on the fritz was able to produce all sorts of odd angles that a new drive would not, aswell as tons of missing data throughout SS files (many chunks of data that read 00’s instead).

So, it appears that MS is backtracking somewhat on the ban’s, likely due to the reasons described above. Their infallible system has proven once again to not be perfect, and to attack innocent users. As always, we recommend that if you are a live user, to NOT modify your system, as you will eventually get banned.
Discuss this news item on our forums: forums.xbox-scene.com

Comment by mu on 2007-12-22 18:40:35 | Reply

love to hear about people getting banned for having an OLD xbox 360! they should just start putting sub par lenses into all the 360s, and then they can just ban anybody they want! oh wait… they did. infallible my ass.

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