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Condemned 2 self censoring

The first ripple effects of the recent Manhunt 2 rating ordeal are coming to light. In a recent interview with CVG, the game’s senior producer, Constantine Hantzopoulos, noted that several features had already been removed from the game to ensure that it did not suffer Manhunt 2’s fate.

Several of the brutal aspects of Condemned 2 were too graphic for the ESRB, and Hantzopoulos metioned that Monolith has been working very closely with the ESRB to ensure that the game receives the M rating. He also said that this was a direct result of the Manhunt 2 rating.

An example of what we cut would be putting someone’s head in a vice. That was too much, you know. There are also some decapitations we’ve lost. But this is more Sin City than it is real world and we want people to know that this is not a real world.

Manhunt kind of takes place in a real world where you’re killing prisoners and people. This is a sensitive subject and we’ll pull back if we need to. If someone says we can’t that, we’ll pull back a little. We’re actually in pretty good shape. Putting someone in a dumpster is comical, it’s funny. But putting someone through a TV set…

Whether this is an isolated incident or a new trend isn’t know as of yet, but it certainly sets a dangerous precedent. Will we see more developers toning down the content in their games in order to placate the ESRB and game violence activists like Jack Thompson and the NIMF? What do you think the legacy of the Manhunt 2 rating will be?

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Comment by newmodel on 2007-07-25 20:40:06 | Reply

Way to bend over and take it like a man, Monolith.

Comment by nuknuk on 2007-07-25 20:40:25 | Reply

stupid bitches listening to the censorship queers

Comment by splattered on 2007-07-25 20:45:51 | Reply

fuck censorship. I think AO games should be allowed.

2nded!

Comment by trj156 on 2007-07-26 00:35:43 | Reply

of course they should be!! i can go to the store and buy cigarettes and smoke myself to death legally but i can’t play a game that’s too violent???

Comment by nyser beteesea on 2007-07-26 07:49:48 | Reply

spot on. you can buy a godamn gun in america and drive around with it, in europe you can smoke and drink til your face bleeds but if you chop off someones head in a videogame.. well then you are just pushing the boat out. every single case of a kid supposedly getting inspiration to kill off a game has been bullshit, the kid is always a psycho nutjob that was owed money and the mother cant hack that her kid was a maniac

AO games are out there, the trouble is big chains like Walmart, & EB won’t sell them.

Comment by AugustusBot on 2007-07-25 20:55:16 | Reply

If movies like Saw are allowed, games should allow brutal gore too.

Comment by TheFuck'n1 on 2007-07-25 21:46:35 | Reply

Yeah, not to mention hostel and texas chainsaw - WTF? this is just stupid fucking shit! look man, i say to Monolith, bring the gore baby! that’s the reason this game is intended for a mature audience. Send those ESRB pricks a message. there’s enough of us adults around here to make sure this game sells, so fuck’em.
man i really hope this isn’t the beginning of a new trend

Comment by geck021 on 2007-07-25 23:38:56 | Reply

I wish it was so simple … BUT, when AO ratings mean that you effectively can’t sell the title in some countries, and assuming that you actually need the $income$ the title provides, you pretty much have no choice but to tone it down.

Comment by homeland on 2007-07-25 21:10:06 | Reply

i’m glad i am an adult and still can’t make decisions for myself.

Comment by Veritas on 2007-07-25 22:12:14 | Reply

GO GO DEMOCRACY

Comment by VeteranAssassin on 2007-07-25 21:24:17 | Reply

So the retailers and console manufacturers have said that they won’t sell/release AO titles, yet some adult gamers would like the opportunity to play such games.

I believe that there are independent developers who would be willing to release an AO title and distribute through a website, sidestepping the reluctant retailers. The last roadblock is the console manufacturers, who may be unwilling to budge for fear of bad press.

It seems that taboos are becoming less common as we are increasingly subjected to sex and violence in various mediums and at younger and younger ages; maybe with time (and perhaps free-thinking console company heads) we will get the occasional AO title that some of us look for.

Comment by Daze Of War on 2007-07-25 23:02:09 | Reply

Stupid crybabies. There are alot of adults playing games now a days.

Comment by M.Whitehouse on 2007-07-25 23:54:19 | Reply

Censorship is good. Stop the blood-thirsty freaks from getting their fix. Now Viva Pinata that’s a game.

I smell sarcasm :) .

Comment by Lone goat on 2007-07-26 18:12:08 | Reply

no no that was me shittin myself

Condemned 2.
Removed from purchasing list, straight to bargain bin purchase, maybe.

Comment by Lil Kid Bmore on 2007-07-26 02:09:22 | Reply

Im 16 years old, iv been playing video games since i could talk.They blam video games for people killing people because of games,like the boy who killed his brother over a game.All i gotta sey is Violent video games don’t make me wanna kill people.So ESRB when will turn into a psyco kid and kill my family,are we on a kill sombody timer.Are you waiting for one of use to kill sombody to ban video games forever.
….Waiting for the mind control chips to be active so i can start KILL FAMILY MISSION

Comment by trj156 on 2007-07-26 07:58:37 | Reply

dude i think you were on my friends list for a while…my gt is ‘rhymenoceros’…

Comment by MoD Dark Slayer on 2007-07-26 02:27:24 | Reply

TRIGGER M4N: “Condemned 2.
Removed from purchasing list, straight to bargain bin purchase, maybe.”

I 2nded that.

Comment by Snake Himself on 2007-07-26 03:30:31 | Reply

This is how it starts…then the ESRBH and EA are gonna get together. Shave their heads and become Video Game Nazis. And will try to usher in a new dictator ship who main focus is the censoring of videogame content

damn :( If I can’t twist people’s heads off, i’ll cry!

Comment by Thryon on 2007-07-26 12:37:37 | Reply

Does anyone here work for a living? Do you not all have bosses. Is it not easier for you to get your way, if you are friendly with your boss.

I think that Monolith is showing great class by not just starting a fight with the various rating bureaus, which would guarantee that their game gets ripped to shreds. Now they will be able to negotiate (does this world still know the meaning of negotiation?) over the more risqué part of the game.

For the record, games that rely on nothing more than violence to sell copies do not make for good games. Condemned: Criminal Origins was not a great game because it was violent, it was a great game because it was immersive.

Comment by Bleu on 2007-07-26 14:32:39 | Reply

Monolith’s actions are totally understandable, they’re clearly putting a lot into this game and for it to become condemned (no pun intended) like manhunt did would just be a waste and wouldn’t help anything.

that said, the circumstance still blows and we should all be pissed off about it. developers shouldn’t be forced to water down their creations, and ESRB shouldn’t be forced to be the bad guys here.

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