I will read the review from here, I will read other reviews from other people elsewhere, I will (if applicable) draw conclusions from previous versions of a game (i.e if I liked Halo 1 & 2 there is a good chance I will like 3), I will check out videos and screenshots and if available I will play a demo.

Using all these mediums together I will form an opinion then decide based on that if I will purchase the game or not.

But hey, thats just me. I like this site but don’t use it as my bible for game recommendations, i decide that myself from all the available information open to you.

i am just saying, from an outside point of view, you reviews blow lately. if you do not want feedback from your community, don’t ask for it, but do not give us shit for expressing ourselves when it is obviously appropriate.

and yes, i have read your “how we rate games” about fifty times, and if you had any sort of relationship with your readers, you would have known that i have supported many of your writers articles, including some well written reviews (few and far between). i am not just talking smack, i am actually trying to facilitate the flow of information, and provide a bit of a second opinion.

so CHILL! and try to pay attention when you get “solid complaints.” your ego seems to be blinding you.

i totally recommend that YOU (and i mean you niels) personally go back and reread what your readers have written. i don’t want to hear what you have to say about it again, but for your own edification. hell, smoke a bong load first and i GUARANTEE you will see things differently. aren’t you guys in holland?

i just don’t understand why, when you give something such a controversial score (lowest score on the fucking internet), you get so upset when people say that it doesn’t add up. i am not the only one that has read the review this way.

and i just wanted to point out that ign has only about fifteen games that got a nine out of ten score. and, to be SURE, i am not defending ign. their reviews are absolutely inconsistent, and mostly, bottom of the barrel. but neither was i referring to ign when i brought this up:

“in a library of games, there are only ten games, and they have all been reviewed at 9 or 10. now a new game comes out that is an 8. is this game considered below average to you, because the rest of the games in the library average out to 9.5?”

i said that, because you gave this game (moh) a “below average” rating, seemingly because there are so many other good games around that ross thought were better. i personally feel that a game should be based on its own merits, and other games should only be used to show the potential of a console.

there are a lot of good games out right now, but that does not diminish the quality of moh, which i have NEVER claimed i believed was “ace” as you so lovingly claimed i said, but the game is receiving an injustice being given a “below average” rating, no matter what the number connected with it, and i just wanted your readers to hear this other opinion.

in a library of games, there are ten games, and they have all been reviewed at 9 or 10. now a new game comes out that is an 8. is this game considered below average to you, because the rest of the games in the library average out to 9.5?

You can say what you want about IGN, but yes at least they’re consistent with their ratings. Meaning they give 90% of the games a 9 and then consider an 8 substandard.

However, since we don’t give 90% of the games a 9, I honestly don’t understand all the bullshit you’re spreading here. Did you EVER honestly read that link we keep giving? Because you seem to have missed the most important page of that page every time we linked it, and that’s why we keep linking it:
“The most important thing you need to remember when reading a review is that you are not reading a text which prescribes how you should think about the given product: a review is an article describing how the reviewer thinks about the product. He tries to do this as objectively as possible, but in the end it is still the opinion of one person, corrected and egalized during the editorial process by a limited number of other people. What this means in the end is that a review can be a very good guideline for deciding about whether a product is good, but it should never replace your own opinion, just augment it.”
Apparently you thought the game was ace, well whooptie-fucking-doo good for you. We however thought the game was below average, so decided to give it a 5. That’s why on our site it gets a 5, along with a long explanation why it gets that grade so that people can decide for their own whether they agree with the way we weighed things. Noone’s stopping you to give the game a 9 on your own site. Understand? We have a rating scale we decided to use with good reason, and will continue to use with good reason. Even if you do decide to continue to bitch about our all our ratings being too low. Because you are 1 out of 300.000 unique monthly visitors that apparently wants to risk a heart attack over disagreeing with us being frighteningly consistent with our ratings.

in a library of games, there are ten games, and they have all been reviewed at 9 or 10. now a new game comes out that is an 8. is this game considered below average to you, because the rest of the games in the library average out to 9.5?

just wondering if you guys would actually consider that “professional”. or WHATEVER you consider yourselves to be.

and after about twenty hours on multiplayer, there has been not one single “rocket launcher fest.”

and there is NO FRAMERATE ISSUE! ross, your box is probably readying up for the red ring.

please xboxic crew, take your fucking whooping when you blow it! you certainly get props when you don’t! you guys are the most egomaniacal fools on any fanboy site i have ever come across! just chill! we all have a right to express our opinions.

“I haven’t played MOHA yet, but the 5 at the end seemed a bit odd given how positive the review seemed. 5 is supposedly below average, but the review talks about how there are one or two revolutionary additions to the genre, and some very solid aspects of the game. This alone would seem to warrant at the very least an
average” rating if not better.”

“wow, i think you made quite a few good points in your review, but your score seems very low to me.”

“again, not a bad review, although the number doesn’t seem to fit.”

“5 seems a little low for how, well, upbeat the review is.”

“I’m a little confused by the review because overall you say the game is good if not revolutionary, but then give it a “failing” grade. Regardless I figured I’d share my two cents.”

just a couple of comments you may have missed neils, and for the record, you have brought nothing to this discussion except a flaccid defense mechanism, and an overinflated ego. but i did learn something about you today!

and for the record, you are a GOOD CREW. i just feel like, lately, your reviews have really been misleading, and i am just trying to help edify the community.

i think a lot of people that would have enjoyed moh, won’t now, because of ross’s FINAL SCORE. actually, the review itself seemed to give a positive enough impression of the game, and i am not really knocking it, but the final score is what a lot of gamers are just going to look to for actual purchasing strategy. i just wanted to balance out what looked to me like a pretty extreme score, with some of my own comments.

i feel as though this game is a solid 7.

“Above Average: The product is better than other offerings in the same area. It has obvious flaws, but hey it will entertain you and you probably won’t regret spending money on this.”

this game has obvious flaws, yes, but it absolutely smokes over the outfit (another gimmick oritented wwii shooter), and i feel that the single player campaign is done at LEAST as well as cod3, and overall, it is a more polished title than battlefields.

i know reviews are opinion oriented, but i feel that you, as journalists, are supposed to be trying to help out your readers to buy the right games for themselves, and as a casual observer, it is pretty clear to me that is not the intention of the reviewers on this site.

WE ALL KNOW ABOUT HOW YOU RATE GAMES

Then why act as if our 5 is the worst grade in history?

Yes, we’re adamant about our stance, which is why we keep repeating it. Stop screaming for us to give below average games a 7 or 8, and we’ll stop explaining why we actually gave a game a mediocre grade. The review explains several highly disappointing aspects of the game, and then summarizes it accordingly in the grade. Below average. Not crap, not abysmal, no just ‘Below Average’. Because there are so many games that are just simply better. Where this one falls short.

the 5 at the end seemed a bit odd given how positive the review seemed.

A game can do many things right and still be sub-standard based on a small number of things done wrong. I myself have no idea why you think the review is positive, since I would summarize it myself with “framerate issues, spectacularly stupid AI, ridiculously short campaign and fundamentel problems with multiplayer”. Those are fundamental failures, not being compensated for by a novel parachuting system or the lack of online lag which should be standard in any online game. Based on that I’d say the 5 was overly generous.

I agree, there is a tendancy on this site to hear “read the review” or “we don’t rate the same way other places do” every time there’s even the slightest criticism of a review.

I haven’t played MOHA yet, but the 5 at the end seemed a bit odd given how positive the review seemed. 5 is supposedly below average, but the review talks about how there are one or two revolutionary additions to the genre, and some very solid aspects of the game. This alone would seem to warrant at the very least an “average” rating if not better.

no, that is not the issue. the issue is, WE ALL KNOW ABOUT HOW YOU RATE GAMES! there is no need to jump in everytime, just to say the same damn thing. when you give a game a controversial rating, you will receive shit for it. yes life is a bitch. but this is the LOWEST score on this game. there is no need to seek attention in this way. the review was decent, but the number does not fit the game, and to be honest, as far as i can tell, it does not fit the review.

and please, for the love of god, do not tell me what i have to fucking admit. and the statement that moh “cannot even closely compete with a 2 year old 360-launch-rush-port”, is open to debate.

1. My friend and I have both played through the game a few times now and have yet to suffer the framerate issues you speak of. I just have not seen it at all, so I’m sorta wondering about that.

2. This is my first MOH game, so I could be wrong, but the cover system (more of a lean I guess) seemed quite fresh to me. The game felt far less like I was simply running and shooting as a mad man, and gave a sense of the pressure of a stop and pop gunfight. To me that has set this title apart a great deal.

In short, MOH is not the greatest game of all time, but for me it continues to be tons of fun and a solid if not earth-shattering game. In my mind that gets you a C+/B-. Not hating on the review (to each their own) but for those of you on the fence maybe this has helped.

Wah?!?!?! If I could reach through the internet and smack you I would right now lol.

again, not a bad review, although the number doesn’t seem to fit.

although i have yet to complete the single player game, i can say that, based on the quality of the multiplayer experience alone (which is the core of this experience in my opinion) i feel this game deserves at least a 7.

props to the reviewer though for getting a lot of good info out there. do not be afraid to try this game though, you may very well rate it higher than a five.