I laughed.

Kudos to you.

Meh, you wouldn’t have America anyway if we didn’t let you go off in boats and steal it off the natives anyway.

Who went where? To put it in perspective; the entire population of the USA (except for the native Indians living in supression) is actually one big pile of “illegal” immigrants trying to get the world to shut up or put up.

Can’t really say I’m that impressed hence the fact that almost all over the world there are people not bowing to those puppets like Bush and Reagan.

Ow, happy 2008!

thats odd the U.s.s.r bowed to Reagan… oh and btw Bush… was just the lesser of two evils.

Claimate change caused solely by man = Myth

God = Not completely disproveable by 100% but highly improbable given the facts

Evolution/Natural Selection Humans from Monkeys = Hell of a lot more going for that theory than your big beardy man in the sky.

I apologise, i abhore religion and everything it stands for.

Probably worth bearing in mind that belief does not equal truth.

Very true Glovner

“Probably worth bearing in mind that belief does not equal truth.”

Never said it did..
I was just trying to say there’s nothing wrong with different belief’s

hmmmmmm, I will agree to a point, but when the beliefs encroach on others well being and effectively stunt the overall growth of human race then there is an issue with different beliefs, especially if almost all available facts point towards the belief being false.

“when the beliefs encroach on others well being”

like a few towelheads? & a few nut job pastors then yes.

“especially if almost all available facts point towards the belief being false.”

last time i check “Evolution” was still a theory..

i unstand if u “abhore religion and everything it stands for.” there is ALOT of BS in churchs theis days…. but (just like the towelheads) theres allways some bad apples in every Religion.

Evouloution may be still only be a theory, but still a far more credible theroy than intelligent design from a supreme being which really offers no basis in fact whatsoever.

But at the end of the day it’s an argument which can never be won as the theologist always has the saftey net of blind faith on his side.

And as for it being a few “towel-heads” (your words not mine) or crazy pastors i’m afriad that isn’t the problem.

The problem is real scientific discovery being held back by creationists that have no credible fact to back up their point of view.

Then they have the cheek to lobby schools to tell them they should teach creationism alongside evolution like it for one second even holds the same credibility (by the way it doesn’t).

You really don’t want to get me started on this subject as it’s one I have spent a lot of time on and can pretty much destroy any argument a pro-religious group wants to through at me, and I will disprove it with fact and logic rather than blind faith and fear.

“Evouloution may be still only be a theory, but still a far more credible theroy than intelligent design from a supreme being which really offers no basis in fact whatsoever.”

facts yes,,, what i’ve been thou… no. you call it blind faith… you havn’t walked in my shoes.. and i havn’t walked in yours. i’m not trying to fear you (or otherwise) in to becoming a chirstian.. it sounded like you were attackin the church (some should be) i was only sayin let believe what they wish to believe.

“Then they have the cheek to lobby schools to tell them they should teach creationism alongside evolution like it for one second even holds the same credibility (by the way it doesn’t).”

they fight the schools b/c they don’t want there kids being told something they belivie is BS. just like how u don’t want creationism in the schools.

Its a fair point, but to teach other people something because someone is mislead into believing it (no personal attack on you if thats you thing, but like you we are both entitled to our point of view, one thing I can commend you on is the fact that you can actually put some thought into the discussion and not just stick your fingers in your ears like most theologists) isn’t the right way to go.

Unless factual evidence can be attributed to something then it remains not to be factual. No factual evidence can be given to creationism, however there are many facts to back up evolution.

Religion to me is the easy way out in the search for advancing our knowledge.

e.g

How did we get here?

Thats a complicated question, and to answer would would take a lot of investigation and time but instead of doing that and seaking the truth with evidence to back it up, lets just take the easy way out. God did it and becuase he did it then there is no way for our feeble minds to understand it so we shouldn’t even bother to investigate further and just put it all down to the big man.

Now please don’t take what I say here as an attack on your personally, I don’t even know what your thoughts on God are. The one I have a problem with is the God of the Bible which so many Americans seem to believe word for word as a factual document of history. When if there is any truth in them (bearing in mind the only books of the Bible put out there as the real deal was written 300 years after the supposed death of Jesus so no gospel even offers an eye witness account, yet we are to believe it without question). I have no issue with peoples personal God but I abohre the God given to you by the Church.

I understand that some people may argue that religion does a lot of good, but it is fully outweighed by the evil it causes in its name. I would also say that since I can live a decent life without the fear of religion and hell hanging over me that makes me a better person than someone who acts in that manner purely out of fear for the rewards the can reap in death.

I hand the floor to you.

maybe if the ppl in Europe stop bitching about America, they might have time to try to become something better then America