Comments on: MS will remain tight-lipped on XBL status thanks to lawsuit

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Sat, 26 Jan 2008 12:43:32 +0000

Doubt it, it’s only you guys that think you won that war.

When in actual fact if anyone was responsible it was the Russians.

By: malren

malren — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:17:18 +0000

Hmm, typical Eurotrash, needing an American to fight for them.

We can play this game forever. It doesn’t make you clever, or right. Just bigots.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:28:33 +0000

Hmmmm, typical American, arriving late for the battle.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 13:26:47 +0000

Yeah cos a $5mil lawsuit is really gonna teach MS a lesson.

By: malren

malren — Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:01:02 +0000

It’s hard to imagine someone being so thick that they would attack ME for flipping Swedish Pete’s words around, and not say a WORD to Swedish Pete,
and yet here we are.

Wow. That is some impressive “double standarding” right there, I tell you what.

By: ykcordj1

ykcordj1 — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:21:59 +0000

i think its great what they did,ms needs to learn a lesson, we pay for there service,then it should be on point. they knew what was gonna happen and they didnt stop it, im glad someone took action even though we cant get any updates for awhile. you people should be applauding these people,ms is corporate america and they dont give a damn about how much we have problems in a game they just take are money and say “were workin on it” thats bull and you know it. if it was really a mistake on there part,they would have refunded or gave us a free month which is what should have been done,but they really dont care….wake up people

By: nokidding

nokidding — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:39:04 +0000

we need to start executing people that try to sue everyone for everything, u know hold them accountable. maybe not death, im just tired of shit like this. my cofffe is too hot, SUE! i fallen in your store, SUE! you looked at me and it offended me, SUE!

By: TimeLord68

TimeLord68 — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:34:34 +0000

Did you actual read my post. I was talking about an annoucement now (well before the lawsuit) based on them now knowing how many users there are.I was also making the point of the approach M$ maybe taking with Live and the investment in the current setup. Do they go with the Playstation Network approach with dedicated servers or stick with the p2p system.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:09:34 +0000

Balls.

At the end of the day MS and any other company will look at the investment they need to put into upgrading the service rather than just upgrade by some random amount based on a guesstimate.

They now know they have sold X amount of consoles, which will require an upgrade of X amount of server capicity.

It doesn’t make good business sense to do it the other way, and the increase in the amount of Live subscriptions should pay for the upgrade anyway rather than increasing the price of Live.

Think a little before spouting ballocks.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 12:03:53 +0000

What? you mean France? Thats a given, garlic swilling surrender monkeys.

By: Curtis Jackson

Curtis Jackson — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:22:10 +0000

^^^ Proof that America isn’t the only place with incredibly stupid people.

By: DarkAngel

DarkAngel — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:08:20 +0000

Obviously daniel_drago is French no doubt about it!!!!!

By: TimeLord68

TimeLord68 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 19:20:53 +0000

At the end of the day it all stems from M$ ineptitude at customer support. We are all having some level of problems. A simple announcement and honestly is all it takes for the vast majority. The silence creates rumour and hysteria.
The system isn’t working; this is what’s its going to take to fix it and this is how long it will take. Simple.
One thing I’ve not heard mentioned is the problems caused by user broadband connections. A lot of these 360’s are sold to people who don’t know their router from a blender, believe me I know. So we get people with 2mb connections trying to host a game with user with 16mb + connections 5000 miles away. This must also effect downloads. I wonder how many systems are downloading at any give time.
I personally think it’s going to take a big server investment from M$ to sort this out and financial will the cost of membership be altered to provide Live in the future.

By: cofree

cofree — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:41:31 +0000

Good
I love the fine print crap.
They sure will point out that we have broke that agreement by 12 volt mod in our 360.Then ban a person at the drop of a hat.
I say turn about is fair play.
If i new the guys doing it I would help them out with lawyer fees.

CoFree

By: daniel_drago

daniel_drago — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:39:17 +0000

im gona rant little. OK so weve got the whole america is the shittiest place in the world going on WHICH I TOTALY AGREE WITH seein as ive done the whole:
“been there, done that, didnt bother with a fukin Tshirt coz it made me look like a god damn yank”
so yeh no xbl …i hav no frikkin xbox and M$ took 2 weeks to collect it…nice to see they took my money as soon as i gave them my card number.
but neway bk ontopic……ohnnoes we hav no update bout the servers….does anyone actually use there god damn comman sense to firgure out what is wrong or are ppl gettin lazier and hav to look it up 24/7…..anyway…..o xbl is not full operational M$ made a cock up and deserve several slaps and america do us a fukin favor and lauch all ur nukes at texas….and dont say u dont have none….u all hav guns in ur bedrooms ur all gona hav nukes in ur garden too
WOOT my rants done now u may all go bk to ur…erm….lives? wait ur on the internet u dont hav one..:P

By: Support MS

Support MS — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 17:24:49 +0000

I for one, think we should support MS in this case. The stupid lawsuit gains no one, but the lawyers. They are a drain on society and there is no reprecussion for frivilous lawsuits. This raises cost for everyone and now we are also get limited updates on what the problem is. Anyone who runs a business understands that things happen every now and then, but should we get sued every time? Do I get upset that service is intermittent when I paid for it? Of course, but they have made every attempt at resolving the issue and will offer me (probably a crappy) arcade game. We should sign a petition to show to point out we do not want lawyers sucking out money!!!

By: Lone Goat

Lone Goat — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:30:42 +0000

Ummmm if u look at history… Malren not that far off about a few country(s) in Europe.

facts are facts sorry, Kate

By: Dealer

Dealer — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:57:38 +0000

Amazing how all you guys are getting worked up when this in no way affects you. Yes the lawsuit is stupid, who cares. Welcome to the time when everyone is ’special’, there are no losers, and if something gets f***ed up you sue.

By: whatev

whatev — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:39:07 +0000

Even in its “broken” state, it’s way better than PSn … by far.

By: whatev

whatev — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:38:09 +0000

Sorry, NYC still is the capital of the world. Don’t five me your fifth largest economy blah blah.

NYC ftw!

By: BleedingEyes

BleedingEyes — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 14:08:07 +0000

You should quote more/differently. Microsoft explicitly states that some of their terms are void in certain regions/countries. Despite that; you’re unable to get reimbursement if the losses are less than the cost of getting reimbursed…

Either way; pay the $50.- and shut up, according to Bill G.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:58:08 +0000

Why indeed, reason being that even with all this shit I still think MS has the best customer service policy out of the three.

But people will always moan like fucking children so you can’t really win.

Torn face shits.

By: The_Glovner

The_Glovner — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:53:55 +0000

ROFPSML!!

By: Arian

Arian — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:17:59 +0000

Does anyone care? Besides, I’m sure you can find all of the three somewhere in Texass.

By: AN angry H0BO

AN angry H0BO — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 13:17:25 +0000

yesterday I lagged out of a match of CS so now I’m suing valve for $20.00. greedy bastards. I want my money back.

By: TimeLord68

TimeLord68 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:12:15 +0000

heres some more info under M$ terms & conditions

Please note that this contract limits our liability and we do not provide warranties for the Service.” That’s not particularly clear, however, so let’s dig a little deeper.

“Microsoft may, among other things: (a) restrict or limit access to the Service; … (c) upgrade, modify, withdraw, suspend, or discontinue any functionality or feature of the Service or any game from time to time without notice …” So, Microsoft clearly reserves a lot of rights for itself, should it ever want to change something. But this clause doesn’t account for the problems that Live has had recently, and –which I’m not lawyer, by any possible stretch – I would imagine it could be construed as fraudulent for Microsoft to fall back on this particular clause as an explanation for why they Live members aren’t entitled to any remuneration.

But then we reach clause #16 which takes the issue and just slaughters any argument to the contrary. (It was also at this point that I went insane.) The clause, in its entirety, reads:

16. WE MAKE NO WARRANTY
We provide the Service “as-is,” “with all faults” and “as available.”

The Microsoft Parties give no express warranties, guarantees or conditions. You may have additional consumer rights under your local laws that this contract cannot change. To the extent permitted by law, we exclude the implied warranties of merchantability, fitness for a particular purpose, workmanlike effort and non-infringement.

That’s truly the “game, set, match” item I knew I would find buried away somewhere in the Terms of Service. But why even offer a free Xbox Live Arcade game if it’s so unequivocally apparent that Microsoft doesn’t out you a dime?

By: TimeLord68

TimeLord68 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:08:28 +0000

One other thing. My Live account is due for renewal so whats M$ stance regarding this. I wonder what their customer services department will be scripted to say and act. Will investigate and advise

By: TimeLord68

TimeLord68 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 12:02:51 +0000

This is Bull

“Thanks to the lawsuit filed in Texas, it means Microsoft can no longer update us on the situation due to legal issues.”

Point One - Due to a small minority all customers are left in the dark about a service we all pay for. In any other business this would become a lawsuit in it own right, Doh!!

Point 2 - If and when M$ sort this problem out will they tell us or say nothing while this lawsuit goes through the motion i.e. a long time based of the US judicial system

Point 3 - What is the context of the lawsuit. Are these individuals doing this for their own benefit or for all users?

Finally this will help M$ as the pressure increases daily on what they really have to do to resolve this problem.

By: Karma

Karma — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:10:22 +0000

Texas tossers? My word.
Let’s face it, Microsoft are using an apparently minor nuisance lawsuit to conveniently hide behind here. “We can’t update you on Live’s staus because we’re being sued” would more honestly be phrased as “We don’t want to update you on Live’s status because it is royally fucked and this gives us bad press so we’ll just use this lawsuit as an excuse, ok?”

I can’t believe the xboxic crew are swallowing this Microsoft spin and blaming the texans for it. Where’s your credibility ffs? I was under the impression this site was run by independents and not a bunch of Microsft kiss-arses that simply regurgitate the bullshit from the company press machine. Am I wrong then? Have you been bought and paid?

By: Katan13

Katan13 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 11:03:20 +0000

This is odd, i’ve not had any problems at all so far (fingers crossed!!!) My isp is virgin so i have no idea if that could be a factor. Oh well free xbla game in it for me, although i’m not holding my breath for a good game :o)

By: Kate Loire

Kate Loire — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 10:41:28 +0000

One of them being Malren.

This sucks, the only way to get online, is by signing in with a Game or DVD. I cant sign in on the dashboard at all once peak time hits, and I cant revert to it after signing in either.

By: depeche

depeche — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 09:06:38 +0000

maybe he will respond, give him chance. you know what the americans are like…. always turn up late

By: HOTCHIP

HOTCHIP — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:53:53 +0000

They couldn’t say anything about it before they got sued either. How convenient

By: StGermain

StGermain — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 07:10:50 +0000

I hardly ever find the time to play online during the year, then during the xmas holidays I finally did and guess what… the service didn’t work. MS knows there are a lot of people like me who only use the service during holidays but obviously they didn’t provide enough servers/bandwith to cope with it.

By: mu

mu — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 05:41:29 +0000

“it’s broken.”
“we’re working on it.”
“it’s fixed.”
“it’s broken again.”

ahh, major douchebag, your fountain of information will be missed.

By: Colby

Colby — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:35:18 +0000

Stereotyping an entire state or country is stupidity at its best. I know this may come as a shock but there is more than one type of person amongst billions of people. There are idiots in every part of the world.

By: MoD Gunslinger

MoD Gunslinger — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:31:06 +0000

1) You are wrong (I don’t really need to even say that)
2) You are wrong (Their I apparently did)

By: MoD Gunslinger

MoD Gunslinger — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:29:39 +0000

malren from my standpoint: American…

Americans from Swedish Pete’s standpoint: Read above

Swedish Pete from my standpoint: States the obvious too much =P

By: MoD Gunslinger

MoD Gunslinger — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 04:27:35 +0000

If you really did come home from work then $50 a year wouldn’t matter to you.

By: chuckyj1

chuckyj1 — Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:59:27 +0000

uhh… they weren’t doing it any way… I’ve lived with the fact that…

1. xbox 360 “DRM” was created by the Devil
2. xboxlive will be up and running 100% whenever they fix it. They had no intention of updating us anyway.