Microsoft insider spills the beans on 360 failures
Have you ever wondered about the mystery surrounding the notorious Xbox 360 hardware failures? Why of course you have, who hasn’t? As you probably already know, Microsoft hasn’t been too vocal about the whole thing, always dodging the RRoD-related questions like bullets. However, if the company as a whole is tight-lipped about the issue, it doesn’t mean there aren’t individuals who feel like letting the cat out of the bag, as recently revealed by 8Bit Joystick.com and their exclusive interview with a Microsoft insider who’s worked on the console for many years and felt like it’s time to fill the public in on a number of burning issues.
First of all, it should be noted that 8Bit Joystick’s Jake was the one who broke the story about Bungie parting ways with Microsoft a full week before the official PR announcement, so if any of you have any doubts about his confidential source from inside Redmond, we suggest you let it go and prick your ears up. Now, let’s start with the question as to what led Microsoft to the situation it now finds itself in:
Q: Of all five videogame systems on the market now (PS3, PSP, PS2, DS, Wii and 360)only the Xbox 360 has had such major hardware failure problems. Microsoft being the only company based in the US making a videogame system. What part of Microsoft’s way of doing things do you think caused this situation to happen.
First, MS has under resourced that product unit in all engineering areas since the very beginning. Especially in engineering support functions like test, quality, manufacturing, and supplier management. There just weren’t enough people to do the job that needed to be done. The leadership in many of those areas was also lopsided in essential skills and experience. But I hear they are really trying to staff up now based on what has happened, and how cheap staff is compared to a couple of billion in cost of quality.Second, MS was so focused on beating Sony this cycle that the 360 was rushed to market when all indications were that it had serious flaws. The design qual testing was insufficient and incomplete when the product was released to production. The manufacturing test equipment had major gaps in test coverage and wasn’t reliable or repeatable. Manufacturing processes at eall levels of suppliers were immature and not in control. Initial end to end yields were in the mid 30%. Low yields always indicate serious design and manufacturing defects. Management chose to continue to ship anyways, and keep the lines running while trying to solve problems and bring the yields up. Whenever something failed and there was a question about whether the test result was false, they would remove that test, retest and ship, or see if the unit would boot a game and run briefly and then ship. 360 is too complex of a machine to get away with that.
In the end I think it was fear of failure, ambition to beat Sony, and the arrogance that they could figure anything out, that led to the decision to keep shipping. That management team had made some pretty bad decisions in the past and had never had to pay a proportional consequence. I’m sure they thought that somehow they would figure it out and everything would end up ok. Plus, they tend to make big decisions like that in terms of dollars. They would rationalize that if the first few million boxes had a high failure rate, a few 10’s of millions of dollars would cover it. And contrasting that cost with a big lead on Sony, would pay it in a heartbeat. They weren’t even thinking about Nintendo.
Compare that to Sony, who delayed their launch, even though they were behind, when their box wasn’t ready.

With that said, the insider goes on to provide his opinion on what the main cause of the “Red Ring of Death” could be, as well as explains how games can cause hardware failures:
Q: In your opinion what do you think the main cause of the Red Ring of Death failures have been?
RROD is caused by anything that fails in the “digital backbone” on the mother board. Also known as a core digital error. CPU, GPU, memory, etc. Bad parts, incompatible parts (timing problems) bad manufacturing process (like solder joints), misapplied heat sinks or thermal interface material, missing parts, broken parts, parts of the wrong value, missed test coverage. Any one or more, on any chip, or many other discrete components, would cause this. And many of the failures were obviously infant mortality, where they work when they leave the factory and fail early in use. The main design flaw was the excessive heat on the GPU warping the mother board around it. This would stress the solder joints on the GPU and any bad joints would then fail in early life.There are also other significantly high failure rates in other areas, like the DVD.
Q: Does some games more than others cause hardware failure. Gears of War and Dead Rising were thought to be system killers when they came out.
Of course. Infant mortality, which is a weakened mechanical “thing” like a solder joint with a void in it, are exercised to failure by cyclic stress. The number of cycles and the amplitude of temperature change from low to high determine how quickly it will fail. Certain games will consume more bandwidth on the GPU, which has the most substandard thermal solution on the mother board, making it a lot hotter, warping the mobo and flexing the solder joints. Weak joints fail quickly. The better the game, the more often it will be played, again accelerating failures.
In order to get more information about the RRoD failure and the things causing it, 8Bit Joystick offers up a number of interesting theories about the flaw which the insider then discusses and gives the verdict based on how close they are to the truth:
Q: Let’s go over some of the rumored reasons RROD. Could you tell how close each theory is?
Over heating CPU/GPU due to the lead free solder?
They don’t overheat due to PB Free. They over heat due to too much power dissipated in too small of an area, w/o a sufficient thermal management design to take the heat away from the junction of the transistors on the chips, the packages themselves, and the mobo. And the over heating is on the GPU. When the CPU heatsink is applied right, it does not over heat.Defective parts due to overseas subcontractors?
Some defective parts, like BGAs where the solder balls are not of sufficient and uniform size, so they don’t solder down evenly, or the substrate is warped, causing some joints to have insufficient solder. Bad chips from marginal or under tested wafers. Others are deficient processes, like misaligning the solder paste to the circuit board, or same on the parts, or not having the thermal profile right in the reflow oven during soldering. Manufacturers new to PB free tend to err on the low temp side thinking they are saving the parts reliability wise from a large thermal load. What they are really doing is not reflowing the PB free solder enough to make a good joint. PB free solder is non eutectic, which means the different metals in the solder alloy melt at different temperatures, unlike leaded solder where everything melts at the same temperature. If you under heat it, it won’t bond well to the board or parts, won’t form a good joint, leaving voids and other defects in the joints that lead to early failure under normal circumstances. But when you add the extraordinary heat and mother board warpage that goes with it, well you get a catastrophic failure rate like we’ve all seen on 360.Defective or insufficient heat sinks?
A heat sink like the one they eventually put on the GPU would have helped a lot, since it stops the GPU heat from warping the mobo and breaking the solder joints. The CPU heatsink was fine. I’ve heard the memory was running hot too, and contributing to these failures. Not sure if they were heated by contact with the GPU heatsink, proximity on the mother board, or both. But with the new GPU heatsink the failure rate probably would have still been double digits overall. Way too high still.Corrupt BIOS or OS bricking the system?
Maybe. But haven’t heard of this outside of the periodic dash updates bricking boxes.Is humidity a factor? Are Xbox 360s in Florida just as likely as a 360 in Seattle?
Humidity is a co-factor with temperature for many failure modes. The hotter the room ambient conditions, the more likely a 360 is to fail, all else being equal. Same for humidity.Is keeping the 360 horizontal more safe than keeping it vertical?
I don’t think so. Vertical exposes more surface area and volume to heat exchange with cooler room air. And I think opens more vent holes. Just don’t let it fall over.System wide design problems due to a production schedule that shipped a full year before the competition’s systems?
Yes. It just wasn’t mature enough. Too many design defects, lack of design margins, immature test processes and equipment, insufficient PB free manufacturing expertise at partner manufacturers who made the mother board.

While we’ve known about some of the rumoured causes for quite some time now, there are certainly more than a few bits of shocking information hiding in there that are going to make you think of the issue in a different way. For the rest of the interview, which goes on to topics such as the possibility of a redesigned 360 and the business aspect of Microsoft’s Entertainment & Devices Division, go here.
There must be a lot going through your mind after reading the highlights from the interview. Why not share your thoughts below?








at least they should have learnt by all their mistakes for the next-gen xbox console in years to come…
After reading this article, I’m considering trading in my 360 (3rd replacement). I don’t want to support a business that rushes a product out simply to stay ahead of the competition. It’s about the gamers not about the money. Pissed off gamers= no money.
Okay then - trade it in, someone else will just buy it.
This is only Microsofts second attempt, I think it’s clear they’ve learnt from their mistakes, they have even admitted so.
The problem is that although an altenate system like the PS3 has a low failure rate, it also has about three games worth buying.
I am pissed off with my consoles dying (2xrrod 1xDVD-Drive dead) but the rest of the “Xbox world” such as live is top notch.
Maybe if PS3 could match the 360 on the software (games and OS) side I would consider switching.
I have PS3 and Wii and xbox360 i had rrod for 3 months, and to be honest while my xbox360 was broken the play time the PS3 got in those 3 months was almost as equal to the play time my dreamcast gets. Its a nice peace of technology with on practical purpose, to cover an area in your room where you dont want to get dust and surveilance alarm system, the ps3 is freaking dust and fingreprints magnet.
It worked. Although it was flawed it got to market with some impressive titles well before the competition. As long as they fix the problems I am happy. A silent cool 360 would be great though.
IM TRADING IN MY 360 RIGHT NOW. I AM OUTRAGED. OUTRAGED I TELL YOU. HOW DARE THEY.HOW DO THEY DARE. DARE HOW THEY DO.
I LOVE YOU GUYS.
ummmm welcome to the biz world……
dumbass.. everyone does a little screwing to the ppl.
I was takin the piss.
Dumb asssssssss
I’m currently on my fifth system since launch. Yes, I have had to send in my bricked 360 four times. All of the guys I work with also have had their 360s RRod at least once.
I’m really amazed at all the problems with the 360 (I’m on #2) design considering my original Xbox from launch is still running strong and has never had a problem.
I hadn’t had any problems, I’m on the elite and the guy I sold my original Premium to still works just fine. I’ve always kept it vertical until now, but I don’t fret because the room temperature is pretty chilly in here.
I am more worried about the game certification process that routinely churns out games with major issues on Live.
As good as a working 360 is - there’s no excuse *1* for the still present (in UK) live problems during the evening (daytime seems less of a problem - and no it’s not down to my ISP) *2* games with broken features (party play dropping members in COD4).
It’s a closed eco-system where MS controls and assures the quality of what gets released.
Moan over - 360 is still my favoured console - but there’s some lessons to learn from this MS.
Bought one on the release day, never had a single issue
ditto
we are the minority.
*knocks on wood*
and mine’s been vertical the WHOLE TIME.
I think its all about luck. Most of my friends have had their machines break.
I understand that us with the still working launch boxes are the exception and not the norm. While it never directly affected me, I hate the idea of a ‘crap shoot’ when buying something, ANYTHING, and this is no different.
Hardly acceptable but I can see how MS wuold’ve made the decision to roll them out. I think that even with the neg. press the boxes had, it was still a ‘win’ for MS as their install base was a full year ahead of Sony’s.
And besides, it was ONLY a $1000000000 problem to fix, right?
I’ve had mine since September 2006 and haven’t had a problem yet… *jinx*
your not jinx… i’ve said that 20 plus times on this site… the only issue i Ever had was last week. When a friend toss his bag on top my power brick… 2 red lights.. i called to find out what that meant.. the 1st thing she asked was “where is your power brick?” poof no more half RRoD.
I’m jumping on the no-RRoD bandwagon here. I’ve had mine for nearly a year now and it’s been working great. I got the 2 Red Rings only once but it was my fault. I had the system in a cubby-hole in my entertainment center laying horizontal and after a 5 hour stint with a friend playing GoW it shut itself down. Turned out it just overheated.
I pulled it out and sat it vertical next to my TV. It literally runs cooler than my PS2 now. No problems since.
I’m on my fourth XBOX … and I still couldn’t be happier. Should they have releasedsuch a crappy product? Probably not … did they make it right? Yes. The three year warranty more than made up for any problems with the console in my eyes. There is one issue they created with this fix … and one that severly angered me.
Many retailers (ie Best Buy) offer an extended warranty that goes above and beyond what the manufacturer’s warranty … i spend $50 on one when I heard that the 360 had a ludicrus 90 day warranty at launch. When they extended the warranty … they basically nullified my fifty bucks. I think that is crap, and I’m still pissed about it to this day. The one nice thing was that after the THIRD system crapped out, I had the option to upgrade to the elite for 30 bucks. I did that, and haven’t had any problems.
Well i am on my second i would never get rid of it because the 360 has the games this generation lets hope the falcon chip and maybe the new gpu mobo (comming in summer) will handle these problems so when my second one breaks in year or so i can get a defect free one
I had my second one go dead last week, actually my third, because I removed the X-clamp on the mobo and gave it a second life about a year ago. I did not send it back, because it takes too long to get one back. (that is a personal opinion, I know.) Last week I picked up a arcade version with hdmi, turns out to be a ‘Falcon’, so let’s see how long this one holds up. At least this one doesn’t heat up like the ones I had earlier, it stays very cool. Maybe they actually figured out how to make a durable 360
They should make a cool ‘n quiet one and give us a trade-in, they can afford it. It would create an incredible amount of goodwill. Sadly this will never happen.
I don’t see how this article changes anything. We all knew they were fucked up for a long time– what difference does it make how or why? Of course Microsoft is trying to get a step on the competition, why else would they be in this business to begin with?
You people amaze me with your ignorance and sense of entitlement. Don’t try feigning outrage when you know damn well that unless you want to play carnival games with your wii remote or watch blu-ray movies all day, then you’ll still be fucking with the 360 for a long time to come.
Luckily I’ve only had 1 xbox 360 die on me, but despite the long waiting time and the frustrating call waiting times, I prefer it to the PS3 and the Wii.
Microsoft should know better than to mess their fanbase about though. If you push people, sooner or later they are going to start to push back.
Wow this year (2008) is going to suck major for microsoft unless they do a overhaul big time. This is ridiculious I’m very dissapointed in the way they do business.
haha im on my second and it was fixed fast so it all alright but the 360 is one of the best consoles so im ok with it
Well Jeb has a good list there but I’m a verteran compared to that list I’ve been through 13 Xbox 360 Premium/Pro and 3 360 Elites. The 13 Pros were all from microsoft sending back and forth through their warrenty they ended up knowing me by name at the 1 800 number and the 3 Elites were switch outs from BestBuy cause I have a 2 year warrenty from them. And my friend Arian can comfirm the 13 360 pros I’ve been through cause hes been through it with me.
DAMN 13…. check your life b/c your krama Suck flaming balls
again i owned a launch system from day one…. no issues
Yea I know karma sucks balls lol But hey im not mad at Microsoft. PS3 is a good machine but im not a fan of it
its what we all know, but if they did not come out when they did with the 360, i dont think it would be as good as it is now. and its made sony get off there arse.
i will never get rid of the 360, its a superior console, just flawed by manufacturing. they’ll get it right eventually. at least they let you send it back to get fixed for a 3 year warrantee period. i got the ring of doom and it took 20 days to send off and return.
Wonder how long it will take before the true situation regarding LIVE will appear. Microsoft are showing their true colours,using the gaming community loyalty to try and gain the holy grail of gaming system supremacy. If this was any other product ie a TV would you stick with the same model, I think not. Sony must be quietly enjoying this. What a shame.
I actually moved to the PS3 this weekend trading all in for the Sony system. I’m the same I only ever have 3 games at the most, and with the recent problems with LIVE, RROD x5 and dealing with customer support enough was enough. I’m more surprised on how good the PS3 is. OK the concept of live is better but HOME will address this and close the gap with a refreshing concept. I also find that there is a more mature gaming community with the PS3. I to have been with M$ with the orignal xbox from day one.
I never got the RRod but my 360 did start scratching and cracking discs on me after 9 months. But I was lucky enough to have gotten it from Costco and just took it back for a full refund. But if I had gotten the RRod 3 times and and to wait 30 days each time I would be pissed too.
I might be picking up a PS3 this year. Not sure yet. They have some decent games on it but I would mostly get it for a Blu-Ray player at this point.
The 360, with all it’s problems, has the best lineup of games right now.
had mine since a few months after the launch, had a rrod and a messed up USB port but it fixed itself?? Just started to work normal again
So i still have the box to return in, but haven’t needed to.
guess im a lucky one.
ps mines been vertical for a majority of its life and has either (a) been on a vertical stand with a fan (b) been vertical in a cold basement on cold tile
WOw, a lot of foreigners on this site, looking at the frequent mention of “30 days replacement”. I wnet tru 3 360Pro’s so far and my average replacement arrived within 21 days (not working days, but days in general). The fastest was 3 days because I got Microsoft to cross-ship on my last defective unit.
Ow well; looking at the features vs. the flaws of the entire 360 (hardware, software and community), I think we have nothing to complain about over the last 2 years…
When you say “foreigners” I take it you mean non-Dutch?
blabla, mine works
and I have a First Generation