Would you rather be charged the same amount of money for a large download that takes up more space on your HD? If you like what the game offers for $60, buy it. If you don’t like what the DLC adds, don’t buy it.

Vote with your wallets people.

Same amount of money as what? I wouldn’t care either way if the content wasn’t already on the disk.

The issue is not with the company releasing DLC or what the price of it is, it’s that they’re charging for content that should be free in the first place as it’s already within our possession and paid for.

You don’t own any of the data at all. You own the media and have bought the licence to access some/all of the content. So it probably is moot.

Fair enough. However, it should be all of the content, not some of the content. When a consumer purchases the game, they’re expecting to get the full game, which means everything that’s contained within that disk.

How would you feel if EA started charging for levels or story chapters? I’m sure people wouldn’t be singing the same tune when they get to the end of a level and a window pops up saying “To continue, purchase the DEAD SPACE CONCLUSION PACK downloadable content.”

Actually, I should probably be careful. I may have given them an idea here.

depends.

At $5/level, you’d get 12 levels/$60 game.
Seems about right with current market offerings.

just saying….

Those 12 levels better be longer than the ones in Dead Space ;P

Mass, I meant -after- having paid $60 for the game, because that’s essentially what they’re doing (if it is on the disk… if not this is moot): withholding content that’s already on the disk that we’ve purchased, albeit not particularly pertinent content.

I’m actually all for episodic content stuff, like the Penny Arcade game.

You have the data in your possession, but you do not own it. Most modern PC software is controlled by licensing technology. You may own the software in hard format, but unless you own the appropriate license then you can’t RUN the software.

The same applies here. You bought Dead Space, that’s what you got. If you want the additional content (whether that’s on disk or on network), you need to cough up the extra dough. Seriously, I cannot for the life of me understand why people get upset about this. It’s simple common sense. Some people just like to kick up a fuss about nothing.

See my example again.

If the content is on the disc, then they’re charging you money for an incomplete game, no matter how small the amount of content that is locked off.

It would be an entirely different matter if it were supplemental content created after the game was finished.

The additional content on the disc is precisely that: additional. It’s not part of the main game that you paid for. Unless you wish to pay “additional” money to get the “additional” content. Whether it was created pre or post release is also irrelevant. The extra content on the disc is not part of the main game on the disc and until you’re willing to cough up the required money to pay for the privilege of playing the extra content, you don’t own it. Just because you bought the disc doesn’t give you the right to own every 0 and 1 contained within it. This isn’t open source software here.

This is a bad analogy, but perhaps it’ll get the point across. If I were to (stupidly) sell you the key to my house, would you be legally entitled to say that you own my house. No, you wouldn’t, you’d still need to pay for the deed to the property which would give you the right to be there. Just because you have something within your grasp does not imply that you own it. You need to own it legally and that’s where licensing and unlock keys play their part.

I can understand your point of view, but what I’m saying here is the reality of the situation. You need to accept it. There really is no two sides to this issue.

In that case, I expect you to support EA when they start charging for the “additional” end levels of the game. =P

Now you’re just getting ridiculous. End levels are part of the game, additional content is not. If any developer were to do this, everyone would rightly be up in arms. That has not and is not the case here. You’re helping your case by being facetious.

wow mano! you are completely dropping the ball, and you are making yourself look like a douche turd now!

just call the last level “additional content,” and then take your head out your fucking ass.

veritas, you have nailed this one. if he doesn’t get it, then he is a tool.

mano, your playing both sides here. you lost.

Incorrect. A game without an ending in terms of story and conclusion (e.g. “To be continued…”) is an unfinished product, not a full product with additional content. An IMMENSELY big difference that anyone with an iota of sense would be able to grasp.

You’re both trying to create a problem where one does not exist.

And congratulations! You managed to find something personally abusive to say in every paragraph of that last post rather than argue your case logically, reasonably and respectfully. So I think if you’re looking for a “douche turd”, you’re looking in the wrong place.

If you want to read the end of this post, please forward 800 MS points to my XBox Live account. If you don’t, then don’t. Same applies to extra content.

Now who’s lost?

fuck your semantic jingle bells mano.

you can call any level you want an ending, if you get lame enough about it, and the point here is, devs are getting close.

yeah my attack was personal. i find it makes this shit more fun, but you’re right, it was uncalled for, that’s for sure. i can never remember who likes to play like that, and who doesn’t. i apologize.

but this shit is getting extremely close to the line you yourself are drawing with this statement:

“A game without an ending in terms of story and conclusion (e.g. “To be continued…”) is an unfinished product, not a full product with additional content. An IMMENSELY big difference that anyone with an iota of sense would be able to grasp.”

it is pretty easy to not write
“to be continued…”
on the screen, and if you don’t, where is the line?

look at it this way, people that you are referring to as possessing an “iota” of sense are on your level, and veritas and i are just one step ahead.

doesn’t mean you can’t catch up, it just means you should REALLY think a little harder about what you’re saying.

For example, think of how many games nowadays are extended into a series - Gears, Halo, Too Human. How many of those games could have been fit into one game but weren’t and resulted in gamers being unhappy?

Now, thanks to DLC, this sort of stretching out of franchises could be implemented in smaller amounts just by throwing “to be continued…” onto the end and then putting an “episodic content!” sticker on the front.

FUCK OFF i hate it when people say that and its faggots you moron and the word is stolen from the UK you American pricks and its a meatball you dicks!

Where have you ever seen “faggot” misspelled as “fagtit”?

I’ve never even seen the word outside of this comment section.

Also: the word “faggot” existed before it meant anything related to gays.

wooooah tony, calm down my son.

Also, Faggot meaning meaty balls covered in gravy, quite salty.

Fag meaning cigerette which you suck and blow on after taking it orally and gives great pleasure though usually spent in about 5 mins.

In a sense, everyone that smokes is a fag

from the urban dictionary:

“1. fag tit

A name that usually means.. is gay, and sucks men’s tits. Usually used by homophobic 6′6 monsters, who call their little brothers this name.

Hey fag tit, your friend’s on the phone!”

although, it brought a tear to my eye, when the first hit for my google of “fagtits” came up. i will reproduce it verbatim so that you all may share my joy…

“If fagtits went away, I don’t know what I’d do with myself! …”

ripped directly from xbox eye see.

anyway, there has got to be plenty of irony here for everyone.

I’m not concerned regarding the origin of the word. Who “owns” it is irrelevant. What bothers me is twofold.

It’s homophobic.

And it’s not even remotely funny in the context of these forums.

WoW tony what the hell? im English/irish sort of but do i go around telling the english “hands off me lucky charms!” no, so you cant tell american people not to use a word, anyway whats wrong with americans? my uncles american and he shoots people which automatically = win!

Fact? *ahem*

LOL i meant im scared of it for the simple fact they’re aliens in the movie, i spelled it wrong.